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*please read at least through the disclaimer below before getting upset at my comment*

I find it almost absurdly ironic that your final straw with Icke was on the topic of religion - and being critical of him for making wild claims without evidence (as you should be)..... and yet, we don't have evidence or proof that God exists. Its based solely on BELIEF. On faith. Thats it. Its almost the same difference as saying we live in a simulation, controlled by lizard people, who feed of human energy 🤷🏻‍♀️ you could maybe have a more nuanced & logical argument for WHY you believe in God, and why that is more plausible than the latter, but at the end of the day, there is ZERO tangible proof of either.

I also find it interesting that you speak as if your religion is THE ONLY acceptable religion. There are others who believe in multiple Gods. Who is correct? How do we know? Is Christianity the "correct" one? What about paganism and the druids which were forced underground if they wanted to practice their faith, meanwhile their beliefs were essentially re-purposed into Christianity. What about all the other religions that existed hundreds & thousands of years before Jesus was said to have existed?

As a disclaimer, I am not saying you are wrong for questioning or being critical of Icke. Im not saying you are wrong for what you believe either. I just found it interesting to lash out at someone for making claims without evidence, when religion is doing the same thing.

Ive struggled with this topic my whole life. I was raised Catholic, but began questioning it pretty early in life. I humored my parents and finished confirmation. There are valuable life lessons taught in the Bible for sure. Then I went into a rebellious phase as most teenagers do. For a while, I didn't believe in God. Now as a 30-something adult, I am beginning to re-explore my relationship with the natural world and to acknowledge the beauty & perfection of nature and life - I'm even willing to admit it seems like intelligent & intentional design. What I'm unwilling to do is latch on to labels or put myself in a specific box though. I do not identify or agree with any religion. I think there may be some truth in all or most of them, but there are a lot of issues and lies too. Im also skeptical that Jesus ever existed 🤷🏻‍♀️ he certainly isn't "god" (personal belief). But I respect your right to have a different opinion.

Id rather admit that "I dont know" and just try to be a good person, than making a claim 1 way or another about religions and gods or being more "right" or "just" than someone else's beliefs.

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This is a strange one James. You ask us to decide on whether we are on team Delingpole or team Icke...let’s look at the information presented in the video and your post.

Icke, as you readily admit, is responsible for waking many and has been very accurate in his predictions. He is the author of close to 20 books and has been exposing the Powers that Be for 34 years. Unlike yourself, I have read most of his books. I think we can also agree that he has been at the forefront of independent media for decades.

You in return have posted 2 videos, one made 14 years ago with a combined view of 3,300 and use this as evidence of him being a part of the trap. In fact, you said if you had seen the videos before the show, you would have cancelled the event. A true warrior against the woke agenda James. You also have texts on your side. I’m assuming you are referring to The Bible.

I enjoyed the video very much because of the pushback and differing opinions. I most certainly didn’t see him attacking your religious beliefs. As he says in his books, “I’m not trying to convince you of anything, I’m just sharing information and ask you to question everything, me included.” He believes we live in a simulation, and we break the cycle by going back to divine sparks, infinite awareness, pure consciousness. You believe God is the Creator and Heaven awaits. Both are fine by me.

After the event you posted 2 posts. One to Twitter/X where you said “you had differences on the subject of God but had a great night...Thanks David”

On Telegram you posted I have two main problems with David Icke. 1 he is incapable of holding a conversation and finished with The man is a trap, he is leading Awake people in to a new age.

Icke’s response?

Why did you say this on Twitter/X, Mr Delingpole, but at the same time trash me on Telegram? How incredibly disingenuous.

One of you acted with integrity and honor, core Christian values and one of you did not. Why did you act that way James?

I enjoy your work very much but when it comes to cutting edge information that changes the perception of the awakened masses, I’m on Team Icke all day long.

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